March 17, 2005

Michael Schiavo is a turd

I've been following the Terri Schiavo case for a long time and have been troubled by the inconsistent testimony given. My first assumption was that Michael Schiavo believed that he knew what was best for his wife. Although I think that removing food and water from a human who is otherwise NOT sustained by life support is, well, murder, I can vaguely understand how someone might not agree with the opinion. Anyway, the more that I find out about the actual facts in the case, rather than the legal boilerplate farted out by the Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo's lawyer, the more I'm convinced that Michael wants to kill his wife in a horribly painful way and is looking for the state's blessing on this course of action. Reverend Robert Johansen has more. Excerpt:


Many people believe that Terri Schiavo has had “the best of care,” and that everything has been tried by way of rehabilitation. This belief is false. In fact, Terri has had no attempts at therapy or rehabilitation since 1992, and very little had been done up to that point. Terri has not even had the physical therapy most doctors would regard as normative for someone in her condition. The result is that Terri suffers from severe muscle contractures, which have caused her body to become contorted. Physical therapy could remedy this, but husband Michael has refused to provide it.

Terri has also suffered from what many professionals would regard as neglect. She had to have several teeth extracted last year because of severe decay. This decay was caused by a lack of basic dental hygiene, such as tooth-brushing. She also developed decubitus (skin) ulcers on her buttocks and thighs. These ulcers can be prevented by a simple regimen of regular turning: a basic nursing task that any certified nurseÂ’s aide can perform. The presence of these easily preventable ulcers is a classic sign of neglect. Bob and Mary Schindler have repeatedly complained of TerriÂ’s neglect, and have sought to remove Michael as guardian on that basis. Judge Greer was unmoved by those complaints as well.
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Terri’s diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One such test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used today, even for ailments as simple as knee injuries — but Terri has never had one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The neurologists I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning this fact. One such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University.

In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference to the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography) scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume that these had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that these tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused them.

There was a moment of dead silence.

“That’s criminal,” he said, and then asked, in a tone of utter incredulity: “How can he continue as guardian? People are deliberating over this woman’s life and death and there’s been no MRI or PET?” He drew a reasonable conclusion: “These people [Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge Greer] don’t want the information.”

I don't really believe in karma, but in Michael Schiavo's case, I hope it exists. I want him licking the ass of the bacterium on the anus of dung beetles in his next life. And the life after that. And the life after that...

Update: Andy McCarthy has a great piece over at National Review Online. His point is that we treat mass murderers better than a defenseless, innocent woman. I reiterate: starving and dehydrating someone to death is fucking NOT in their best interest.

Michelle Malkin and Joe Gandelman have more. Much more.

Update: Gerard weighs in with a typically thoughtful post. He includes the current mindset infecting today's society wherein the political is personal, the party uber alles.

Update: From Spoons:


"If Jeb Bush were a truly courageous man, he'd send in the national guard to stand in the hospital room door and insure that those ghouls don't get to kill Terri Schiavo in cold blood."

And still more from Spoons, whose blue language is waaayyyy too mild for my tastes.

Update: Lileks weighs in as well. Excerpt:


I’ll stop here before someone feels compelled to send an email comparing Terry Schiavo to Spock in that horrible episode in which his brain was gone – but even then, you’ll note, they beamed down and looked around for the damn thing. In short: err on the side of life is not a bad motto to keep in mind. This seems simple enough. I respect those who nod, count to three, and offer a soft “however” so that we may refine the particulars. But I don’t have much time for those who hear “err on the side of life” and automatically bristle, because they hear the voice of someone who, damn their black and God-addled brain, once sent $10 to a politician who opposed parental notification law that did not have a judicial review.

You may not always agree with that sort of person. You may have no need for them. But you never think you have need of any chocks until you're in the truck, and you realize it's rolling down the hill. Backwards.

Update: from Jonah Goldberg:


Look, I've had a very bad week which has distracted me from all of this Schiavo stuff. I need to read and think more about all of it. But I think it's fair to say I'm not exactly on the same page with a lot of my conservative friends and colleagues on many of the issues involved. I'll write more on the issue later. But I have to say I'm disgusted with the faux moral outrage from liberals who are stunned by the idea that the federal government might get involved in issues like this. This is the party which danced a jig over the Violence Against Women Act and which has defined a vast swath of its political raison d'etre around the idea that the federal government should jealously guard the right to abortion and the right to appeal a death sentence in federal courts. And it is now scandalized that the Republican Party is trying to prevent a state court from killing a woman. It's okay for Washington to meddle when a husband slaps his wife, but it's outrageous when Washington tries to stop a husband from killing his wife? It's mandatory that a federal judge make sure a minority isn't passed-over for a promotion, but it's a rejection of the rule of law for a federal judge to make sure that a woman isn't wrongfully starved to death? Thanks to the hard work of Democrats states can't set their own drinking age or voting age, but suddenly state judges should be The Word of God when it comes to slowly killing citizens. I don't get it.

I do think conservative Republicans are at a minimum inconsistent in their sudden love of the fourteenth amendment and an activist federal government. But liberals are no less inconsistent in their sudden love of states' rights on such issues. The difference is that Republicans are embracing a principle they've spent some time upholding -- a culture of life -- while Democrats are spending most of their time whining about the "hypocrisy" of their opponents. I would respect the Democrats more if they had the courage to argue that Terri should die. That is their position.

Ann Althouse offers a slightly different perspective on the federalism issue.

Update: One final link, and this time it's to Hog On Ice. Excerpt:


Thanks to liberals, I live in a state where I can be prosecuted for cutting a mangrove tree that pops up and obstructs my boat dock, but Michael Schiavo can kill his wife, with what appears to be inadequate reason, and not even pay a fine. People call Terri Schiavo a vegetable. Would that it were so. In Florida, the law protects vegetation.
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We need to investigate Terri’s condition. We need to investigate Michael Schiavo’s motivation. We need to be reminded—forcefully—that the value of a life is not related to how closely that life approximates an ideal existence. Brain-damaged people—at least those who are capable of consciousness—are human. They are human. Not one of us is any better than they are. Terri Schiavo is not three-fifths of a person or half a person or a third of a person. She is either a complete person or a dead body kept warm by artificial means. She should be presumed alive until proven otherwise. The burden of proof should be on those who want to starve her, not on her or her anguished parents.

Terri Schiavo is the Rosa Parks of the disabled. And the terrifying thing is that, like Rosa Parks, she has untold peers who have been less fortunate than she. Rosa Parks was arrested, but in the end, she was vindicated. But how many blacks were thrown off of buses before she made the news? And how many Terri Schiavos have been quietly disposed of?

She deserves a fighting chance and due process, not a death warrant issued by a kangaroo court. And maybe if the medical tests go her way, sheÂ’ll get to live as long as an average murderer appealing a death sentence.

Update: I lied. Sue me. I should have checked in at Victory Soap before declaring that I was finished.

Update: And Graumagus weighs in, too. Excerpt:


That said, the sticking point in this whole affair for me is the fact that, in 15 years, this woman's husband would not allow a MRI or PET scan to be done.

WTF?!?!

I'm sorry people, those of you who are screaming 'She's brain dead! The EEG and CAT scans blah blah" let me tell you something:
THEY CAN BE WRONG.

In 1996 my father had a very nasty left side stroke. The CAT scan showed a brain bleed the size of a fist and the EEG basically said he went from hard boiled to scrambled.

They said it was surprising he even survived

They told us it would be a miracle if he ever spoke again.

They told us he'd never walk again.

They were wrong.

His MRI came back and showed that the damage wasn't nearly as bad as was shown even on a subsequent CAT scan (after the MRI)
My father was speaking within two weeks and walking within three months. Now he speaks fine, walks with a cane, drives, and bitch/pisses/and moans about shit just as badly as he used to pre-stroke.

My point is, how can they advocate pulling this woman's feeding tube without even doing all of the basic necessary medical tests to properly diagnose her condition? That shit is criminal.

Yeah. It is.

Posted by: Physics Geek at 09:31 PM | Comments (20) | Add Comment
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1 I knew about the lack of therapy, but not about the lack of basic care. When you put that together with the injuries shown in the bone scan... Horrible. Rotting in Hell is definately too good for Michael Schiavo. I prefer your idea.

Posted by: Sally at March 18, 2005 04:58 PM (RbeLs)

2 "I want him licking the ass of the bacterium on the anus of dung beetles in his next life..." I think you're being overly generous :-/

Posted by: Harvey at March 18, 2005 06:32 PM (tJfh1)

3 I was having trouble hitting bottom. I'll try harder. This guy is worth the effort.

Posted by: physics geek at March 18, 2005 09:59 PM (Cgjps)

4 I agree with you. for each life thereafter as well.

Posted by: vw bug at March 19, 2005 12:41 PM (jNG4X)

5 And now they've removed the feeding tube. I cannot stress how much this bothers me. I'm actually in favor of unplugging a ventilator, or pretty much any machine that's artificially keeping you alive. However, food and water do NOT qualify as extremem measures. Terri will now die a painful, excrutiatingly slow, agonizing death. My only hope is that her brain is actually liquified so that she won't feel a thing. I' betting against it, though.

Posted by: physics geek at March 19, 2005 03:41 PM (Cgjps)

6 Michael Schiavo=murderer(with accomplices)

Posted by: z.wook at March 20, 2005 05:04 AM (O0Oga)

7 The use of a Positron Emission Tomography would do you no good in this case, becouse you can already tell from her cat scan that the Myelin in her cerebral cortex (particulary from the prefrontal lobe to the brocas) is turning to grave wax. Its no longer being Re-absorbed.Her upper brain cells are dying,and the myelin that would normaly allow her nerves to comunicate, is resting in spinal fluid (her dead brain cells have shriveled and the space filled with fluid).It will only continue to atrophy.The reason that this part was the first to go would have a lot to do with the fact that she was on her back for 15 minutes before being recesitated. The cells are not reproducing, its that simple. This doesn't mean that her whole cerebral cortex is liquid, but givin that it has inharently gotten worse (its called the laws of thermal dynamics) the test would only serve to crush her parents. Admittingly I think injecting radio-active material into her and propping her into a pet scan might be fun, in a frat boy kinda way. I mean as long as shes above 80 degrees she will show up. But if they wasted the hospitals time doing so, it would only allow 5 percent of the medical community (thats either selling snake oil or god) to point out the parts that haven't yet atropheid. The snake oil salesmen would then say, I have an Idea of how to use the undameged cells to replace her missing brain (probably suggesting some kind of stem cell theropy). The god people would say, see she isn't dead yet, I mean look at all that living brain. I mean to a layman a brain thats only lacking 15-30 percent of its material is mearly damaged. Selling this snake oil to people who wish to see her as living, will be like selling creationism in kansas- trust me, I'm from there. The frontal lobe is by most experts considered to be a most vital part, its what makes you human (im not just talking about the small section of prefrontal lobe your doctor has obviously circumsized). Without it you have no personality, and no ability to comprehend. She will never be able to walk, not becouse the part of her brain that controlls muscle movement is gone, but becouse the part that would desire to do so is dead. Although she may still have lust, and hurt, she has no ability perceive these concepts. The big diffence between this and tay sachs is that her eyes and ears will be the last to go. The eyes going last since they are connected to the occipital lobe. The ears first being connect to the temperal lobe. In fact that will be the absolute last part of her functionality to go, well other than her breathing and twitching. If you simply damage a portion of the frontal lobe surgicaly its called a pre-frontal lobotamy. Now while the rest of her brain may not be liquid yet, its not exactly as funtional as yours or mine (or a down syndrome patiant) You see while it wasn't as shut off from oxygen fresh blood, it was shut off from oxygen fresh blood. This part stands a small chance of getting better. We have no way to make it do this though, and this wouldn't restore her personality. Thats in the front. This isn't mild or even severe metal retardation we are talking about,this is a level that cannot be meassured. This isn't like when supperman fell off his horse and damaged his spine, the part of her brain that controls muscle movement wasn't even the first to go. This isn't down-syndrome, she hasn't that much functional brain. She can still feel pain, but has no Idea what that is, she can still hear, but doesn't understand, and if flash something shiny in front of her enough times her eyes might follow it. Whoopty freakin doo. If there is any of her left in there, its probably begging for relase. This condition would suck. Now think about what youve called mike, youve said that hes a douch, youve brought up the bone scans, that don't neccesaraly imply HE hurt he. In fact some of those healed fractures are older than that. Maybe she fell off her bike, maybe she was pushed. The people that have claimed that Michael either neglected her, or that she was going to divorce him all have one thing in common...Religion. They are either hard core Catholic or protastant conservatives, and they didn't lodge any complaints against him untill he asked to remove the tube. Terry had lost a lot of weight before falling into this, more that carb counting would allow. She reported extreme stomach cramps, but no throwing up or other stomach problems. Odd that potassium would be leached, but not leave the body by other means than urine,and so quickly...could it be that she was using something nasty to make herself puke?...Nah Children and teens of abuse often develop eating disorders. Over eating to ease the pain, purging to ease the guilt. Eating disorders are often about controll, in the same way rape isn't always about sex. Its a persons need to feel in controll that drives these acts, in the case of eating disorders its controll over ones own body. This is common in women that have been sexualy assulted (especialy as children) Have you noticed how guilty her family acts around her. How awkward the father acts when around the sun. He took the time to very awkwardly ask his son how he was doing durring a video feed - after the questions where over - while still on the air. Didn't that feel odd, fake if you will. Have you noticed how the family acts towards the dad in general. The closer the son is to the father the more awkward it seems - the more nervous they get. The mother seems especialy guilt ridden. Maybe she knows something. Watch the vidoes, and interviews. Shes so desperate for her daughter to be alive that she tilts her head and then comments on how her one eye doesn't focus right. The part of the brain in charge of that is in the opposite direcetion of the severe damage. Its in the back of the head. Odd that BOTH eyes wouldn't focus on the mother if she was aware (POLLY, POLLY PARROT). When you have to move the head to get the corpse to look at you. ...

Posted by: Voiceofreason at March 23, 2005 09:17 AM (qNBDi)

8 Eh...Voice Of Reason's got it all figured out. I guess that's the name The Supreme One goes by now: "V.O.R." How intimidating. You'd think He could spell better, though. And how come His log is full of what are arguably the most arbitrary, amateurish, asinine, inexpert, "human anatomy 101" anal-swiping-tissue-worthy ambiguities (I do love a thesaurus!) out of all of today's entries? Is this the God I have lovingly served all these years? Well,...He seems to have intimate knowledge of Terri Schiavo's body—not just any Terri, mind you, but Terri Schiavo. Why, He even knows about that little bicycle accident she had when she was 11 years old! Nobody knew about that but...Terri! And me! I pushed her! Hey! He MUST be God! He can predict the future!!!! She'll never walk again He says! Oh my God!! (excuse me), He's omnipresent! He's OMNISCIENT! He can feel what Terri feels, He knows what Terri doesn't know! He knows the deep dark crevices of the hearts of each and every member of Terri's severely dysfunctional family. He knows their most diabolically "interpersonal" secrets. Not only that, He derides them (POLLY, POLLY PARROT). Why? Because He can! He's GOD! HE...IS...GOD!!!!! Say what?! Damn. I'm going over to the Dark Side. Later. PS—I forgot. Who was the brainless one, Terri or Voice of Reason? And FYI, Oh, thou most holy "VOR" you highness sir: I do have Religion as you call it; actually His name is Jesus Christ, and no I ain't no right-wing, hardcore, God hates faggots, Bible-thumpin' idiot. The vast majority of us aren't. However, please let me know which university you attended that has fraternity members with your lack of spelling ability so I can be absolutely certain that not one-half of one-third of my children attend said university. You sounded so very all-knowing, but I just couldn't see myself worshiping a god I could so easily defeat in a spelling bee.

Posted by: God died?! When? at March 24, 2005 07:31 AM (uVnbH)

9 WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU SEE A STRAY STARVING CAT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? WHAT WOULD MOST PEOPLE DO? EVEN IF TERRI WANTS TO DIE, 6+ DAYS WITHOUT FOOD AND WATER IS "ABUSE"..

Posted by: eric at March 24, 2005 09:12 PM (uCjcK)

10 What would I do re the starving cat? What I did: saved the mom and 3 starving kittens, taking the the babies to pet emergency center. Once I found them, I felt an obligation to act. One of the kittens died, but everyone else is healthy and happy 5 years later. Funny how people got more excited about the abandoned cat/kittens than about a freaking human.

Posted by: physics geek at March 25, 2005 04:08 PM (Xvrs7)

11 Its called dyslexia, you know like bush (without the mental retardation). Come to think of if he was a frat boy, a skull. I bet you voted for him!! Point isn't that the family is guilty, its that you can't know from the givin information. The courts act as a voice of reason, giving their "oppinions" on a constitutional bases. That way the majority cant rule with furver. Thats how we set up when we started this great country. If you don't like it move. The fact is that the most conservitive of judges wouldn't touch this case, based on its constitutional marrit. Like it or not thats america. He is the next of kin by florida law, so unless you add an ammendment stating that all questions of legal guardenship are to be settled in federal court...well they cant do anything about it. They can't just say that this one case goes to the federal courts, thats just not the way its written. Her bone breakage is simular to that of victoms of munchowsins by proxy. When the chemicals leached potasium from her system they also leached calcuim. That and frontal lobe damage causes seasures, for which she is medicated. Look it up. Just dont use my spelling.

Posted by: Voiceofreason at March 25, 2005 09:41 PM (qNBDi)

12 I forgot to add that they realised her cat scans, check out the extensive frontal lobe dammidge. They is no way that the cells can reproduce the orriginal form. That has to start devolopement during the zigot phase. Otherwise it kinda like trying to make a penis form into a functional female reproductive system. We just don't have the ability to tell cells what to do, and cells aren't that smart. You can only heal youself so much, we arn't gods. Besides even if we could tell the cells what to do, we would need a large amount of stem cells to form the frontal lobe, and there is no way to guarentee it would funtion identacally to its orriginal form. Face it its beyond the current realm of science, and if it wasn't we would be playing god. If we could salvage the remainder of her brain, and had the ability to reproduce the brain to form, why not just give her another body while you where at it. See what I mean by hopeless. Let her go.

Posted by: Voiceofreason at March 25, 2005 10:05 PM (qNBDi)

13 V.O.R Don't you mean "we would need a large amount of embryonic stem cells"? Also, if I may inquire, Mallard or Harlequin? MrDibble

Posted by: MrDibble at March 26, 2005 02:04 AM (K0OCX)

14 Q. It's been reported that a CAT scan showed Terri Schiavo's cerebral cortex had deteriorated beyond the point at which she could be expected to recover. But some people say an MRI would be much more precise in making that determination. Why hasn't she had one? A. A CAT scan — computed axial tomography — uses a a moving X-ray scanner and a digital computer to map images inside the body. An MRI — magnetic resonance imaging — uses magnets and radio waves to create more detailed images of particular areas. Dr. Ronald Cranford, a neurologist who served as an expert witness for Schiavo's husband in diagnosing Schiavo as being in a persistent vegetative state, has insisted in interviews that in Schiavo's case, the additional detail would not add information relevant to making that determination. Also, the Los Angeles Times has reported that, according to Wolfson, Michael Schiavo took his wife to California for experimental treatment in fall 1990, when a thalamic stimulator was implanted in her brain. Some neurologists now consider that an obstacle to MRI scans, which can be affected by the presence of implanted metal or electronic devices. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/25/a4a_SchiavoMyths_0325.html Thanlamic Stimulator is why she shouldn't have an MRI

Posted by: John at March 26, 2005 08:10 AM (rw54k)

15 Judge Greer and Michael Schiave you murdering pieces of SHIT!

Posted by: Don at March 31, 2005 03:51 PM (zcAi1)

16 There is truly a place reserved in hell for michael Shiavo.He could have let terri's parents have custody and take care of her. I cannot believe that our country allowed public homicide to take place. It makes us worse than terrorists .

Posted by: Susan Fillmore at March 31, 2005 05:38 PM (ihff1)

17 As a mother who has lost a child to murder, I personally think this was the most humane thing that one can do. We do not want our children to suffer, nor do we want to watch them die a slow death. That's what Terri Schiavo was in essence doing. It is selfish on the parents part to keep her here. They only wanted to keep her here for their benefit. Believe me when I say that I would give anything to have my 15 year old daughter back but not under these conditions. The parents should take confort that their daughter is now at peace with God. Stop making Michael Schiavo out to be a monster. He was only carrying out his wife's wishes and I certainly hope all will do the same with their loved ones when the time comes.

Posted by: Sharan at April 01, 2005 12:12 AM (U8Qkf)

18 Michael Schiavo,you are a cruel,insensitive asshole,I hope you rot in hell,remember,what comes around goes around,You are a murderer.You are screwing some other women and you shouldn't have had the right to make any decisions for Terri. Then you shut out the family while she is in her last minutes, you make me sick. You are a piece of SHIT!!!

Posted by: sherri at April 01, 2005 04:43 AM (RHgxM)

19 The parents were/are publicity hounds that cared little, really, for their daughter. They testified that they would have kept her on the feeding tube EVEN IF she had left explicit written instructions not to do so. They testified that they would have had her arms and legs chopped off (in the event of gangrene) if that would keep her "alive." What horror. The ultimate horror for Terri would have been in the control of her inhuman parents.

Posted by: Roscoe at April 03, 2005 04:04 PM (Y/VQr)

20 http://gnn.tv/headlines/2121/A_Culture_of_Death_Not_Life Mae Magouirk safe for now. See Tekgnosis for further details. Tell the Media to report the REAL Schiavo polls! http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=7351686&type=ME http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/4/emw226586.htm http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/prweb/20050408/bs_prweb/prweb226586_3 My account, etc. of Terri Schindler's Funeral Mass: http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2005/04/terris_funeral_.html Main page: http://tekgnosis.typepad.com

Posted by: Juan Schoch at April 12, 2005 07:08 AM (3+Vrs)

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